IOTA and Electric Vehicles

Welcome to untangled a podcast sponsored
by IOTA foundation exploring the
real-world applications of this tangle a
unique distributed ledger technology
researched and developed by the iota

in today’s episode we will be talking
about electric vehicles while climate
change continues to be a matter of
global concern only baby steps are taken
politically despite the urgent
encouragement for action from the UN and
a plethora of scientists

our many fossil fuel vehicles being a
major contributor to that going electric
based on renewable energy seems to be
one of the low-hanging fruits in order
to meet the demands currently being
required by the planet we all live on
but although electric power trains have
been common for many years electric cars
are observed far less frequently unless
you happen to be in California or in
Norway where Tesla’s are cruising the
roads of both cities and coasts in
ever-increasing numbers but worldwide it
is estimated that the global fleet of
electric vehicles amounts to just a
little over 3 million while the total
number of cars already passed the 1.2
billion mark given the current political
stalemate it seems like technological
development is needed to really get the
wheels turning and here the tangled and
distributed ledger technologies seem
like they will really make an impact so
I went out to ask a few experts about
how smart technology can make it a smart
enough decision to choose electric
vehicles what I think that needs to
happen to make sure that everybody
drives electric in the future is that we
have enough range on the car so you can
drive more than 400 meters for example
at least in the Netherlands we need to
have multiple charging stations enough
charging stations right now but once
there will be more electric vehicles we
will need more charging stations and I
think it’s also to the government to
make sure that from a tax perspective
it’s it’s cheaper to drive electric than
to drive an ICE car
ICE means a car with an internal
combustion engine what most people still
just think of as a normal car so I think
that will be the main drivers for making
sure that electric mobility will be the
future my name is Marvin link I have a
background in IT I’ve got a master’s in
information science mainly focused on a
key architect kind of things and
cybersecurity currently I’m working for
Aladdin l and a nexus which is a Dutch
grill operator humph Anton brink is also
energy and in
ability advisor for the iota Foundation
and within this realm famous for
building the iota charging station which
is completely aligned with the tangle and
allows charging and payment in a fully
automated way where no human interaction
is needed most of the time though Hamm
is dedicated to his job of improving the
dots and European energy grid networks
for a nexus and Elaad so Elaad is a
foundation on immobility we started back
in 2009 mainly focused on placing charge
stations back down we had the kind of
chicka AK problem if there are no
electric cars there is no need for
charge stations and if there are no
charge system probably nobody will drive
electric so what we did is we placed a
joint station so we start rolling out
charge stations over 3000 until 2012 and
we did it because of a grip perspective
so do we have found about great
operators and they wanted to assess the
impact of electric vehicles on the grid
so what does driving electric mean and
the energy uses for our current electric
grid but in 2012 the government said
that shouldn’t be public tasks who plays
to our stations but should be commercial
tasks so we stopped placing charge
stations but since we already had a
three thousand charge stations we now
could assess the impact on the grid so
that’s what we started doing gather
information get a data out of the charge
stations and to see what the impact is
on the electric grid and and actually
that’s also the time that we start more
innovating on the IT side so on smart
charging that’s controlling the energy
flow from the charger to the car and
that’s basically the point where Elaad
yeah switched into a different position
from placing charge stations to more an
innovation and knowledge center and
innovation center on electric mobility
Elaad were among the first movers when it
came to building charging stations which
turned out to be quite fruitful as Elaad
is now the go-to standard in their
business actually we had to build them
ourselves there were no charge stations
you can just buy off-the-shelf we had to
come up with the ideas ourselves so we
started with different blogs different
devices different software and
everything but over time it yeah matured
actually so we are now are using the
same kind of charging blog
we have now OCP peed open jars point
protocol which is the standard open
source protocol between charger and
back-office so everything just grew from
from there and I think Aladdin Ellis the
main driver in that even across Europe
because the OSP was invented by a lot
and is used by everything everyone
across the globe I joined back in 2015
and I started focusing on IT right away
so connecting different systems together
making sure that smart charging actually
works so a great operator can tell the
capacity limits for example on a grid to
a charge plant operator and they can
actually send that information around
and I’m also focused on cyber security
because I think cyber security is very
important and the grid once you have
more electric vehicles and once you have
more smart charging so controlling the
energy flow you can actually control a
lot of energy combined energy collective
energy on the grid so I think that
should be very secure so that’s my focus
also right now to make sure that the AV
infrastructure is secure not only in the
Netherlands but there yeah in Europe so
how does distributed elected technology
fit into all of this and the motivation
to look into DLT is that it allows to do
sessions fully autonomously you have
everything is stored safely and secure
securely and immutable and once you have
more electric cars and more charging
sessions you have to do all the
administration at least in the back end
and if that can happen fully autonomous
nearly everything is stored
automatically I think that can really
help this ecosystem not particularly
only for charging sessions but the ones
that grows into more smarter solutions
like also energy management sore grip
management and any trading for example
or johny charging when the prices as
cheap as possible if you add more things
to that you probably will need a better
solution than we have right now so
disturbed alleges could be one of these
distributed ledger technology is a wide
term that also encompasses blockchain
which Bitcoin and etherium the two most
famous cryptocurrencies are based on but
blockchain has some inherent limits like
scalability –
and transaction fees in a world in which
a blockchain might be able to process
seven or twenty or fifty transactions
per second and you consider that there
may be a hundred billion devices that
are all communicating data and need to
write that data traditional bar chains
are simply incapable as configured today
to scale to the level that we need in
order to capture the huge amounts of
data that not just automobiles but every
device is going to be sending and
monetizing in the coming economy of
things my name is Terry Shane I am the
founder of the biota sphere but also the
CEO of refine Data Solutions in his role
at the pyrosphere a nonprofit
organization based in Toronto using iOS
a technology for sustainable solutions
Terry recently held a presentation where
he to use his own words put the proof
back in proof of concept by showing
viewers how high order technology can be
implemented to invent a completely new
way of thinking car insurance if you
haven’t already what’s that there’s a
link in the description which I would
highly recommend for anyone to check out
but what does Terry know about emerging
technologies interestingly I have always
been fascinated with technology was
involved in the early days of the
internet have some of the early internet
patents and was actually ranked by Yahoo
as the ninth most useful site on the
Internet back in the days when in order
to get a list of where to go on the
internet you had to subscribe to a
physical magazine that Yahoo published
because there were no lists of places to
go so always try and get into technology
early in the game and I feel a bit the
same way about iota after having
discovered it as I did when somebody
first introduced me to this weird
wonderful thing called the Internet so
what grasped your attention about iota
then that the real power
and the real future was this exponential
growth in devices and not people that
everything that we’d seen up till this
time had been around the communications
from one human being to another or from
a human being to a device and suddenly
this realization that there was going to
be this massive explosion in devices
that I was already seeing around me and
that they needed to become their own
economic agents with micro payments well
that doesn’t sound too bad but surely
there must be challenges one of the
things that I think has been sadly
lacking are real-world applications that
you can point to that people go aha I
get it now I understand this leads us
back to the presentation about
conscience that I mentioned earlier I’ll
still recommend you towards the video
but what Terry basically did was to use
his technical knowledge to extract the
data collected from his Tesla which is
published in the IATA ledger and is
accessible via a tangle Explorer I’ll
provide a link in the description this
data is then integrated into an
insurance program every one of us drives
a car and almost every one of us resents
how much we pay for car insurance and I
think that automotive is one of those
key areas where the car is a massive
computing power on wheels it’s a mobile
computer it’s a mobile battery it’s
going to require all kinds of innovation
in that space and so we had the
opportunity to say how can we turn an
existing business model on its head and
the car is something that everybody can
relate to there will be more and more
intelligence in cars there will be fewer
cars on the road because a type you
won’t see the purpose in owning one
because at the point that gridlock kicks
in even today if I’m going downtown I
need a really good reason to drive
downtown because the aggravation of
working my way through traffic is just
horrible and
when I get to the other end I spend
almost as much time driving around
looking for a parking meter which costs
an outrageous amount of money it’s so
much easier to take you know a ride held
car or to take the subway and then take
a ride hailing vehicle the whole point
was to say what if in a world of
manually driven cars fully autonomous
cars and all the shades of grey in
between where you have semi autonomous
cars and cars that are enhanced where
the risk of the individual driver is
becoming less and less what if insurance
was sold to the car and bought by the
car instead of the driver of the car or
the owner of the car having anything to
do with that model obviously in a
current world current model I buy the
car and I am the one that is responsible
for buying the insurance but in a world
where I buy the car and I Drive it some
of the time but it’s out delivering
packages or it’s being used by others
who generate revenue for me because I’m
sharing the vehicle what is the point of
having the insurance purchased based on
the driving record of the person who
owns the car who may actually drive it
only a small percentage of the time so
we tend the model upside down and said
how can we have the car by its own
insurance from there we expanded and
said what if the insurance companies
were competing for the cars business and
so at that point you have multiple
offers being driven to the car and the
car having the ability to select between
them based on the way the car was being
driven some of us drive like angels some
of the strive like Devils and some of us
drive in both of those capacities at
different times depending on whether
we’re late
somebody has just had an argument with
us we need to be somewhere in a
particular hurry or we’re just trying to
impress somebody with the acceleration
of our new vehicle during those times
the car probably represents a greater
risk also if you’re driving the car when
safety features are on you
we represent a much lower risk but it’s
less to do with you and more to do with
the capabilities of the car so that’s
one way of using the tangle but what has
Harman ela been getting out of it 1/2
years ago we heard about a Yoda so we
start looking into your and I saw the
potential ok it’s it’s it’s cheap
because there are no fees can be
deployed on small devices and it’s and
can also store data so you don’t have to
own a yoda or you don’t have to do
anything with the cryptocurrency to be
able to use it so that’s been when we
started to look into it first thing we
did was just to store randomly some data
into the tangle to see how that works
and then from there on we started
building up the proof of concept more
and more so we first did a very basic
proof of concept with some remote
connection and so my Yoda and from their
own we just start building it up like a
real more mature use case and because I
Yoda allow us to do free transactions
you can store for example measurement
data of the smart meter into the tank so
that’s what we did and from their own
allow payments allow payments by a user
than allow payments by a machine for
real machine to machine communication so
that’s how we end up with a charge
station we have right now it allows for
autonomously payments by the car it
needs some additional equipment right
now but it’s in line with where probably
the future will go in the easy
infrastructure this allows for real
machine to machine communication no user
interaction the user probably won’t even
notice that iota as being used but
because of the use of iota it allow us
to do very secure and very easy
transactions to charge the car looking
at the bigger picture though Tom and
Terry both agree that electric vehicles
are really just one use case of one of
the biggest sectors where this tributed
letter technology can make an impact the
charger is just one entity in the full
grip so the charges is what’s one first
step into DL T’s but we already
envisioned that as a much bigger picture
and what we are doing right now is that
we upload the data from a transformer
every minute to the tangle and every
device connected to that transformer can
listen to the data so what for example
the char station can do is it can see if
the capacity of the transformer is still
enough and if it
any limit it can lower their energy
consumption and the way we want to do
that this we want to ask devices to
lower their energy use it if they want
to they’re not forced but if they do
they will get a small fee in return so
that’s how we want to autonomously have
a decentralized yeah grid balancing
mechanism because in the Netherlands for
example we have to move away from the
gas for heating so we moved to for
example electricity and the way it was
designed 70 or 60 years ago is not the
way we envisioned it to be used today so
we have to come up with smart solution
that’s I think what smart grid means to
be able to deal with the new energy
demand new energy Peaks especially on
electricity and how to deal with that so
that’s why we look into new technologies
like for example deities to be able to
support the grid and to be able to
manage that great load and the ballot
and to balance that load over time
because there is enough capacity on the
grid but not for peak demand because
everybody comes home for example at 6
o’clock they plug in the charging cable
they start their heat pumps they start
cooking on electricity so that all adds
up but if we can make sure that the car
only charges for example and during the
night when there’s enough of wind energy
we can make sure that we use the degree
8 to the best of their capacity and not
overloaded during those peak times so
that’s why INXS is looking into these
kind of solutions the way the greatest
design right now is everything in Europe
is connected there is a huge cable
between Norway and the Netherlands
called Nord net and what happens that
during the night usually the energy is
transferred to Norway to fill the water
reservoirs again and during the day they
just used that hydro energy again for
example in the Netherlands what you
could do is if there is not enough wind
energy you could just import sustainable
energy from other countries but we have
to come up with ideas to to store energy
and store bigger amount of energies one
thing is for sure there will be more
sustainable energy integrate and we will
need new technologies to control the
demand actually of of LNG
the lower hanging fruit and the one that
I’m personally involved with and
interested in I think there is huge
potential in the areas of renewable
energy solar wind power water power I am
horrified every day when I see the
impacts on our planet of the way that we
generate energy when if you think about
it all energy that we use today in the
form of oil and gas and coal is really
just nature’s big battery of energy
that’s been captured and stored in a
biological battery from millions of
years ago and essentially we’re
borrowing from the past to generate our
energy and our line of credit is rapidly
running out but every day the Sun rises
and the wind blows and the rains fall
and there is huge amounts of energy that
remains untapped there can actually be
generated at the point of of need we
don’t have to dig energy out of the
ground ship it thousands of miles away
risking all kinds of things in expending
further energy to get it to a refinery
and then refine it into a product where
we ship it all the way back thousands of
miles to cars at the risk of all kinds
of environmental pollution along the way
and then we burn it at really low levels
of efficiency and contaminate the air
and pollute the environment when every
hour enough sunlight falls on the planet
to generate electricity for our needs
for an entire year it’s just ironic that
we’re we’re not doing more of that
and today in Canada for example a solar
installation probably has a 12 to 15
year payback because we are spoiled with
cheap energy but in many other parts of
the world energy is not cheap like it is
in North America artificially cheap here
and they don’t necessarily have the
infrastructure to distribute centralized
energy production you know in parts of
Africa India South America Asia people
are needing to generate electricity
because there is no grid or the grid
simply cannot
and to meet the demands and their Sola
is hugely powerful that energy is
literally money that money can be
transferred digitally along with all of
the data and I think there is huge
potential in that area not only as a
business case but also as the mechanism
to literally provide a future for the
planet and for everybody that lives on
because at the end of the day you know
when you go out in space you’ll be
hard-pressed to show me the line where
one country ends and another begins
thank you so much for listening I am
your host Casper eigen and music was
made by Austin school Estelle if you’re
feeling eager to learn more about iota
and the community please have a look at
i/o tataat org and the other links in
the description and if someone also got
inspired to start building and creating
with the i/o is a protocol themselves or
to get involved with the community
I asked harm for bit of advice on how to
get started have a listen and see you
next time my advice if you want to use a
Yoda start small so download nodejs
and run JavaScript on your computer
locally see how you can interact with
detangle start building it from scratch
and really small and once you have
something working and you see the
potential of how that could be used for
example in your device then deploy it in
your device so really your first
experience how a Yoda works and what you
need to do to make it work that would be
my advice so start small scale it up
later on I would ask people who are
listening to this and and are eager to
start developing something using out
where just go for it
just try and start building something
and maybe even apply for the EDF Fund
ecosystem Development Fund a viola the
community is what drives this new future
and we need the community to really
bring this further so I hope the
community listens and starts building
today actually.

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